Thorsten Overgaard

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January 09, 2008 3:52 PM  (go back to main view)
A fairly good advice

I met this girl today at www.modelmayhem.com today, that is, I saw her and hooked up on e-mail.

www.modelmayhem.com is a place for aspiring models and professional models and photographers where they meet up and eventually arrange to shoot pictures professionally (a paid job) or for fun so that both the model and the photographer gets to reherse and get some work done for their portfolio.
I've done some with this girl, Monica Prata:
However, on ModelMayhem, I kind of noticed - by accident - that fairly many of the models wear less and less clothes. By looking at the stats for each picture you can rather easily determine that the more undressed, the more interest there seem to be in a picture.
There's a lot of the "I might be interested in a part in your movie" type of photos:
I mean, how can you judge a model talent by a picture like that?
But even worse. I mean in color and without the dress.
No, I'm not going to show you those fully nude ones. Some of them are truly fantastic and a work of art in every sense, some are a disgrace. Not all people are created to be photographed undressed. Simple as that.
But the numbers speak clearly.
I guess it is in part because aspiring models who want the cameras interest meet photographers off duty who want to ... well, hell. They just want to see naked skin. Maybe even touch.
The don't care about career of the model.
Anyhow, I saw this profile today. 17 years and from the Netherlands. That's kind of thrilling to find out if a a girl 17 year undress from that young age to get interest. Some do, you know.
But I was somehow relieved to see that she didn't even try to undress in any way.
Because she had an intersting expression.
17 years and you got something like that. It's precious and made me think what she could develop it to.
Thing is, undressing is not the way up. It's the way down. Ask any great looking married girl with kids if she regret the nude pictures she did when she was twenty or so.
With the internet pictures like that doesn't fade away as easily as they once did. And especially if you make a career of some kind, they might even haunt you because it becomes even more intersting.
And usually such pictures are not even great because the fool who took them was a horny bastard rather than a photographer.
Anyway.
So I mailed with this girl and told her I liked her stuff and felt I had to advice her, though I really know nothing about how to make it in the model business.
But keep your clothes on and develop your expression and that face. Look in the cool designer magazines and fashion magazines, what they do and how they do it. And aim for doing stuff like that, those of it you truly like and would feel good about doing as a career.
And then contact the biggest model agency in your country. Start there.
Start from the top. Don't work your way up the system.
Something like that was my advice. Which she mailed back and thanked me for, and told me her agent in Tokyo (of all places) had adviced exact the same.
I guess what I'm aiming at was this:
If you start to undress, you will likely never get dressed again. And if you start out with filthy photographers who just can't wait to get close enought to touch. And if you start out with small 'independent' model agencies...
Well, you might end up being very popular with that limited audience.
But if you want to become a model, start at the top as far as egencies goes. Do stuff you like. And start with some agency in your own country (because the chance they have clients and work nearby is bigger than an exotic agency on the other side of planet Earth who's just looking for some exotic foreign look to impress their local clients who anyway want local look).
And keep your clothes on, unless you really want to specialize in being photographed without, keep them on. Being nude can be a career to, but seldom leads to anything but nuditity. And usually ends around the age where football players end their career too.
And then choose photographers to do test shots with in the same manner as you would choose a car dealer if you were looking for a used car.
As said, I don't know much but at least that much I feel I know.
I might throw in this goodie. When I was young and did my first brochure as a designer - I was 18 or so - I asked a photographer to shoot the front page. It was simply a girl with a computer keyborad, full figure, just standing there to illustrate that this company did indata (type in data on computers and deliver it on magnetic tapes which was the high tech at that time).
Anyhow, I get a shot of a girl looking totally stiff, uncomfortable, not really typing, not looking like a competent typist, and actually not what I had thought of it to be.
Truly, I hadn't thought it could be a problem to just stand and look cool.
So we redid it and this time I was there with the photographer and we had choosen the most used and most professional model in town, like no 5 in the country.
Apart being very good looking, especially at the moment when I had to fumble (I was 19 years and she was 25 or so) with her Levis trousers to set them straight ... I'm having a moment here, sorrry ... apart from that - and my hands were shaking too - she said something that will always live with me.
She said: "Who am I?"
She of cause meant; who am I supposed to be, what is my job, who's the audience looking at this...
What is my character so I can get into character.
Okay, so I'm this very reliable typist who type very fast and precise, get things done, doesn't talk to anybody about what I get to type, and I'm fresh and would love to get more stuff to type from the executive directors looking at this brochure. Got it.
See, that is professionalism. And it worked too. That company used that photo for their next three brochures over 12 years even they changed ad agency for each brochrue they did.
She didn't just stood there thinking "I'm so hot," "I'm sexy," "I'm gonna be a star" and "I'm going to be on a cover."
Well, she might have thought that too.
But mainly she was aware she was on job as a model and was supposed to illustrate something for the thing to work. And it did.
I guess that was why she was the top 5 in the country at that time.
Even I never saw her nude.
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Blog Comments (9)
Posted by Thorsten O... on January 22, 2008 2:39 PM
@Rodolfo: True about famous actresses who've worn less dress earlier and made it anyway. When you look at the portfolios at ModelMayhem you see some who start out with very little dress and then find a style closer to what models normally wear and do. Which I think is a good trend because that's where model work is. Then you see some who start out rather normal and goes more and more naked, which is a sure way to high interest, but also a sure route away from modeling. I've seen it with girls close by who had "great talent" as naked (we have a newspaper here with one daily page with a naked girl) being offered action naked shots (porn that is) and then porn movies. I guess it is all a matter of integrity. Some can do the most silly things and move in the direction they set forth. Others just follow a flow that might not be favorable for them self but only serve others interests.

Posted by Rodolfo on January 22, 2008 1:41 PM
I admire your moralistic concern for women though I disagree with your phrase 'If you start to undress, you will likely never get dressed again.' A lot of famous actresses and models have made their start in less than honorable magazines/films and have gone on to better things.
Posted by Chris on January 12, 2008 3:33 PM
i've heard of those modeling sites but i never went to them. interesting. that was actually so nice of you to give her that advice, mate. i totally agree. start at the top of that game ... don't start at the basement level and move up! hope you're well!
Posted by Chris on January 10, 2008 1:23 AM
*promises to read*
Posted by mrLarios on January 09, 2008 4:58 PM
I have an account with model mayhem. you are right about the nudity. it is crazy how much there is on that site!! I live in Las Vegas (Sin City) and that is all there is from Vegas. nudity, nudity, nudity. I stopped using model mayhem. I am starting to build relationships with modeling agencies in town to start doing test shoots... good blog!!
Posted by Monika on January 09, 2008 6:29 AM
Keep my clothes on....got it! lol not an aspiring model by any means...but that advice works well in all fields. ;)
Posted by Rayray on January 08, 2008 11:06 PM
This is great, thanks for posting :)
Posted by Robert Pri... on January 08, 2008 8:21 PM
Great story, I'm going to print it for a friend of mine. She will like it alot.
Posted by Ivan Marca... on January 08, 2008 8:16 PM
modelmayhem, i am there..... i dont even log on tho.. soooooooooooo much spam
id like to see that brochure :)
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May 15, 2008 4:52 PM
Hello Mr. Overgaard,

TOS just released their debut music video - hope you dig the atmosphere,

Andrei
May 10, 2008 3:23 AM
Hey Thorsten hope you are doing well!
May 11, 2008 9:49 AM
Thanks, I'm good - and we'll soon have exiting photos to show the world!
May 08, 2008 7:47 AM
It has been, i confess, long overdue. But i have been procrastinating this simple task of leaving you a comment for weeks. I've been busy and only comment when commented.
I do admire your work and your blogs are quite the read.
congratulations on a wonderful page.
And. xoxoxox :)
May 02, 2008 6:04 PM
Super work! I will try and keep up w/ you. lol
Thanks for the invite.
xo - Tally
May 01, 2008 8:37 PM
I just wanted to say your work is brilliant! -V.Smith
May 01, 2008 4:08 PM
thanks for all the feedback, new friend! much appreciated from such a talent!
Apr 26, 2008 7:55 PM
hahah you have an awesome pic of george micheal...im still a closet fan of his lol
Apr 08, 2008 4:56 PM
Hi Thorsten

I just wanted to say hello and compliment you on your gallery. You've got a really great selection of pictures here, I really like your natural style and your use of light.
Lots and lots of interesting stuff to read too!
I reckon I'm going to be a regular reader.
Take it slow...
Mark
Apr 07, 2008 10:30 AM
Heeeeey... You're another one on here who I see has fanagled a way around (what I thought was the max) of 16 "Top Friends." How'd you manage that one, if you don't mind me asking? Whatever the case, very best of regards to you...CCx
Apr 04, 2008 12:02 AM
Thanks for the comment on my first post- nice to know I'm not alone in my technological woes! Love your photography- really beautiful shots you've got here.
Apr 01, 2008 5:44 AM
Hello.
Thank you for your kind words. I'm really glad to receive a comment from you.

Not all thinks the same, because I've received a lot of critics on flickr.

Regards, Ulissa.
Apr 01, 2008 12:20 AM
thnak you. I'm just collecting all the art i see in San Francisco... check out the new slideshow on TINGLETANGLE and WEMARNY sections on the nav bar menu of http://ozcillator.com. peace, franz
Mar 28, 2008 12:03 PM
Hello Thorsten. I've been doing a lot of uber-diving, and I must say that yours stands out as one of my top five blogs. It's so diverse and interesting! Keep up the good work! All the best,
Stewart
Mar 27, 2008 9:12 PM
Hi Thorsten,
Thanks for the great idea for a blog posting on how a designer comes to dress a star at the Oscars. I will have to write it! Continue to check my blog, I'm going to continue to add great stuff in the next few weeks.
xoNick
Mar 27, 2008 8:20 AM
Hello!Thank you very much for the invitation!I am going to read your blogs about digital photography - it is very interesting for me.
Mar 24, 2008 10:26 AM
ADDING NEW SLR PICTURES TODAY CHECK THEM OUT. WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. PEACE ...V
YSA
Mar 24, 2008 8:13 AM
Oh thank you so much! : )
Mar 23, 2008 8:03 PM
Hi Thorsten! :)
Mar 23, 2008 8:00 AM
Happy Easter!
Mar 23, 2008 7:29 AM
Have a great holiday
Mar 22, 2008 10:07 PM
Thanks for the compliments, kind sir. Very flattering considering how great your work is!
Mar 19, 2008 12:03 PM
Thanks for the add! You've got a lot of awesome work here--I'll be coming back to look through more carefully when I'm done with my finals. =)
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Who is u I don't no u so i can't talk u
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Hi my friend !! The whole truth about the small rocket is on my blog ;)
Mar 16, 2008 4:36 PM
I found it annoying, the D-Lux 3, that you can't get a good grip at it. That you use the screen as viewfinder is kind of OK. But the light from the screen, as well as the red AF light at night does not make it a stealth camera like a traditional quiet Leica M.
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